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Posted: March 23 2014 at 4:27pm | IP Logged Quote blaysngunz

Ok I have an antique pre 1899 h&r top break double action "police" in 38 s&w
It functions great except for the hand spring is missing. I purchased a "h&r style top break hand spring gunsmith kit" from wolfff gun springs but I cannot for the life of me Figure out how to install it...or even make it work...does someone have a picture of the inner working of one of these old revolvers...when I get home I'll post pictures. Its the 4 patent date model. I believe its considered a large frame but its not a big gun at all.
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Have you checked here....

http://www.gunpartscorp.com/Manufacturers/HarringtonRichards on-33274/Revolvers-36449/NewModelLargeFramePoliceAutomatic-3 8129.htm

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Go through all these and you should find one that fits....

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=1899%20H%26R%20T OP%20BREAK%20PISTOL&sm=12

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Yea ive. Checked gunpartacorp.com a few times...they have the hand and spring...what my question is, where does the spring rest against? There's no cut out on the frame, almost seems as if it would need to be bent, and stuck into the space where the trigger and lifter are attached. I wish I could just see pics of an assembled trigger, hand, and lifter from this era. Ive fixed THOS on forehand & Wadsworth's, smith&Wesson's, and iver johnsons. THOS one is just weird
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 Pictures of the problem would be helpful.

Does it look anything like this..

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If it does there should be a drilled hole in the top of the trigger that the end of the spring slides into....
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I'm at work right now I'll post pics asap...and yes it looks luke that but its the original so it accepts a flat spring rather than a wire type...thanks for the help and I'll get the pics up asap...I feel like an idiot lol ive done this several times on different makes this one is just weird to me
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Can't tell for sure but the one that I have seen on my Gun smith  videos had the spring gap on the back side of the hand toward the lifter, and actuated both the hand and the lifter with spring tension... That's the best that I can come up with without having all the parts in my hands, Sorry....
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Thanks...yea ive never even seen this put together . I received it in pieces so I'm kind d of stuck...most revolvers its easy just only makes sense one way...this one just seems all backwards to me.
How would you like to have the parts in your hands?? Haha its an antique so it can ship
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Sorry, but that will still require a FFL to work on someone else's gun...
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Never knew that...good to know.
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tr6guns wrote:
Sorry, but that will still require a FFL to work on someone else's gun...


How is that if it's an antique?  Legally it's not a gun, and wouldn't even be checked in on a gunsmith's books.
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Legally it is a gun and requires a C&R or FFL license to purchase.

And Without a Gunsmith License you may not Legally work on any guns other than your own. And furthermore I have no desire to test the system to find out who is right....

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It was made pre 1899 so legally its not considered a gun...ie; didnt have to go threw an ffl. And I checked with several dealers before purchasing...unless I intend on shooting it, rather than collecting it. Which I'm not. Just want it functioning in case I wanna sell it.
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not your type but will give you an idea of how they are set up and what you need. this is an h&r 22

scratch that, this is similar to what tr6 was saying...give me some time as i have a bunch put up but also know some sites to check.
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looking at it. it would appear, and iirc, that the spring is just long enough to go from the slot in the hand down to the center of the pin. it rests against the inside of the frame just to one side of the slot for the hand. being that the hand mounts on the pin of the lifter, the spring keeps the the
hand away from cylinder as well as keeps the lifter engaged w/ the hammer. here is a good pick of a pull pin revolver w/ your type of system. if you right click it will give you full screen option. i have cut these springs from the metal spring clips that hold papers together. like this

this it the site w/ the schematic.
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tr6guns wrote:
  Legally it is a gun and requires a C&R or FFL license to purchase.

And Without a Gunsmith License you may not Legally work on any guns other than your own. And furthermore I have no desire to test the system to find out who is right....

OP, you are entirely correct, your pistol is not a firearm & you may send it to whomever you wish in these United States & anyone may work on it, whether they are a gunsmith or not.

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thanks everyone for all the info and insight! Ive been extremely busy with work and my sons benefit. But I'm happy to say after 3.5 months hes finally home! Tonight will be my first chance at actually giving this h&r a look since the original post. Hopefully it goes well thanks a lot!
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