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Posted: August 08 2012 at 11:36pm | IP Logged Quote hubel585

Sorry, late in posting, bad weather, computer lines zapped again.

Some more experimenting with the Accutip sabots, Designed a

two ball load using .577" cast lead balls. Bottom ball flattened a

little in vise with the flats up and down in sabot.

Used a fold crimp, 3.5" once fired REM case in NEF, long rifled

barrel.....Fold crimp goes down on the top ball...Round

balls 285gr each, going about 1900 hit within 2 inches at 30 yds.

Those 58 cal inside Accutip sabots are really versatile.

Tested 3 shots with 58cal Buffalo hollowpoint, hollowbase, lead,

muzzleloading slugs, 2" at 30yds. All loads with plastic x12x

seal and white felt cushion under sabot.

Experimenting with an Enfield, had one set up with my 700HE 3.25,

and just did one in my longer 700HE. Did a little longer port and

added little more weight.First picture. 2nd picture is a neat 3 barrel

16ga, which if I had it,deepen chamber, I'd have a neat 16ga FH....Ed

PS---We are gaining on getting the big run of brass made for our 585HE.

He is finishing the tooling and soon be producing. We want make the run

as big as possible so everyone is welcome to help. You in US get in on

first order, cases are $3 each.Those in the US he'll send whole order to

me bulk freight, a big savings, and I'll get them to the parties involved,

no charge for helping out on first run.The $3 cost is a great bargain

compared to other big bore cases. For if you buy 150 or so you've saved

enough, over the cost of others to buy a barrel to make 585HE gun with.

My contact--- gunowner at journey.com

For those in Australia,Canada,South Africa,UK, and other countres

make arraingements with Bertram to send cases directly to you.

We can't afford export costs to send cases back out of the US

due to costly permits.and goofy gun laws.............

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Here is picture of the two ball sabot load, using two

58cal balls in a 12ga Accutip style sabot.

Hoping we will have sabot like above for reloading soon,

in volumn so we can load and test a bunch of these 58cal

bullets and slugs. There are soft cast, hard cast, and

the heavier jacketed. These all work in my 585HE also.

The 440gr hollowbase ones loose in the big box on left

measure in at .585" and work great in my 585HE cases.

Part of my 585HEs are smooth barrels guns

just for testing the different style guns, and different loads.

In the one smooth barreled one I have on BBK action, shooting

my 585HE with 440 gr hollowbased Minie slug, we were hitting

8 inch paper plate with them going about 2700 at 30yds.

Hollowbased they act like shotgun slug at short ranges.

Will be neat deal to shoot them in 12ga accutip style sabots in

rifled 12 gauges and the smoothbore 585HEs with $30 barrels.

Here is picture of Pedretti(Beretta style) that came as 10ga. I

have monoblocked in 585 barrel. In picture there is 585HE case

partly out of chamber. I have extra fairly heavy 10ga barrel

also and changes in 2 minutes. And that monoblock break

action locks up like a bank vault.Real strong.

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I like it! I am glad to see progress being made with these. I am considering trying to make one, but right now i have other fires to put out!

Thanks for keeping us informed! I like your work!
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We hope a company will be making our modeled 12ga sabots

soon, this fall, to deliver to reloaders and suppliers..

We also got first part of funds collected for the initial big run

for our 585HE long cases being made. Sending in bunch

this week, and need more to make run bigger For more info

if your interested contact me.

We, others, and 'VdoMemorie' on the Cast Bullet forums

and Shotgun World are experimenting with 58cal Minie slugs and

58cal round balls in 20ga wadcups, and find it is away to slug

load your 20ga economically. You can use 20ga Commander wad and

also shorter "sporting 20 short" wad from BPI. I cut bottom off of

commander and use felt wads and 20ga obturator seal with .575"

470gr minie slug and got 4" group at 30 yds, with smooth barrel.

That is with heavy thick,smooth barrel I put in CBC below.

Here is picture of the CBC break action that I mono-blocked in smooth

super heavy, thick 20ga barrel..30" long, chambered for 3.5" cases.

Works great with 3.5" plastic or brass cases.

Here is picture of the 1887 WIn with my 585HE in it. I put in a

heavy barrel and different kind of extractor Barrel is 28"..

I like putting my 585HE in all the old style of guns, just

to show all the uses the case has.

I found supply of super long bmg cases to make my 700HE Long cases.

It is 4.27" long and holds over 370 gr ball powder, 1000gr at 3400 plus.

I have it in my Vulcan BMG bolt action and I just got one done in

a MRC PH bolt gun, in picture below...Ed

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Posted: October 30 2012 at 2:34am | IP Logged Quote hubel585

I found pictures of a factory 12ga over under that
has bottom barrel rifled, top one smooth with screw
in chokes. Will have pics few days. Don't know
how heavy barrel is yet.

Also will have pictures and test of brass 585HE sent
here. They are 585HE case samples from the first big
run of my 585HE cases, Bertram is doing.Ed
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Here is breach picture of that 12ga O/U made by Armi-Lumar

It has the bottom barrel rifled right from factory, top barrel smooth,

with interchangeble chokes. A real neat gun.

Good news, I got few samples of first production run of my 585HE

cases from Bertram, to test for strength and measure for uniformity.

They all measure perfect and especially the belt length headspace.

He made part of the run, a 1000, without headstamp..And over 3000

with headstamp. Cases only 3 bucks each if you get in on the first

shipment right away..Ship by mail to US cost too much, $1.50 each,

so we will have a bulk freight shipment to US as big as possible.

Folks in other countries order direct from Bertram.

This case can be used in different style guns.,

Bolt, Falling blocks, Break actions, Etc. I have reamers, and dies.

Manson Reamer can make more reamers,CH4D has dies also.

Earlier in thread I've shown various 585HE guns we have set up. Here

is a break action, with 585 barrel monoblocked in, one my favorites,

we just got done.

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I tested 585HE moderate loads(650gr @ 2400) in NEF, CBC, Pedretti,

etc, break actions and didn't need sizing on the bottom 2/3. Real

tough built cases. Cases, are real uniform. For high test loads we

fired couple with 650gr at 3000 in Enfield bolt action, and it extracted

ok, and resized ok back to specs. About a 62k psi load. Pockets tight.

First picture, shown is some he made without headstamp that I stamped,

and some with stamp and ones I made on the right..

Also they can be used for wildcats, shorter cases, etc, and folks can stamp

what they want. 2nd picture you see them in a regular # 31 shellholder,

they don't need a special holder.

In 3rd picture of sectioned cases, you can see how strong the cases are

in base and corners, strong like the ones I made, on the left in picture,

which were real strong cases, that worked great with max loads..

The new 585 from Bertram on the right in picture.Nice strong base/corners.

He supplies same base cases for 408 Cheytac, used with hot sniper loads

that run real high average pressures..He will be manufacturing

these Cheytac runs regular, so we can get ours made anytime

we get money built up for an order..Ed

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Here is overall view of the Armi-Lumar O/U 12ga that has
one barrel rifled. Second is another view of the breach.
Nice looking gun.

Here is picture of the 58cal Minie bullets in 20ga BPI Commander
shotcup wads, and some 50cal bullets in 20ga BPI Sport shotcups.
Sport wads were too small inside and to tapered inside for 58 cal.
Other two are 458 bullets in a non-discarding base that had SPW,
Buckhamer type slugs in them, that someone took apart, that I got.
And one 100yd group shot by Ajay on ShotgunWorld with Sav 220
20ga,  with 20ga Commander  wad and 58cal cast Minie bullets
measured about 2 inches. Four shots in two inches.Ed

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First is picture of the 8ga Falling Block with texturized paint finish
on the stock. It enhances the grip quite a bit on hard recoil guns.

 

Second is the Greener that I have my 585 HE in.Also have
12ga barrel for it..

 

Third is Magtech singleshot action that I'm experimenting
with putting on a thumbhole stock.

 

Fourth are the long bmg bulleted blank cases that I found, to use to
make my 700HE Long case, 4.27" long. I have few extra sets of
five in links like shown, extra to sell 5 at a time in links,
if some need them for their collections, etc... Ed

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How much for the belt of blanks and what is the headstamp?
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Headstamp-  FN  12.7  79

Shipping by FedEX included, total $30

for 5 loaded blanks in the links..

I got to go 25 miles to ship them.Ed

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In our research to find economical and easy to use setups to load

various slug/sabot combos in 12, 20 and other gauges, you've

seen what we are doing with 58cal slugs in 12ga accutip type sabot we

are getting built, and 58cal slugs in 20ga BPI Commander shotwad.

You've seen pics of group shot by Ajay 58cal in 20ga Commander wad.

And Greg Sappington made 16ga HP slug that fit 12ga BPI CSD wad.

CSD wads are little thicker. In that vein we found another 20 ga combo

that uses the BPI 20ga CSD wads and larger diameter of the 54cal

muzzleloading slugs. Wad is thick and short so we can get the

volumne of our slow powder we want in the loads for higher speeds.

And base of CSD 20ga wad is thicker and stronger than most wads.

. It doesn't have built on cushion, doesn't need cushion, which is not

needed for slow powder loads. Has a good built on powder seal.

It is long so it can be cut to fit any 54cal slug length.

Best 54cal slugs to use are .543" and up.

There is .548" Sharps style 2nd in picture from Dixie Gunworks.There is

54cal Great Plains in picture on left, Far right in picture is 550 Magnum

jacketed bullets in 20ga CSD. Great for hogs, bear. There are a variety

of 54cal slugs you can cast or buy. Not big number like 58cal, but enough

to find good simple combo. Shot 3" group with 54cal Great Plains in

CSD at 30 yds, smooth bore. 380gr going over 2000 fps.

Second picture shows they even work and fit good in 20ga RMC brass.

Fits in a brass case real tight with .548" Sharps style slug in picture..

Third picture shows how we mono-block 585HE barrels into strong

singleshot break actions. Done it in NEFs, CBCs, Pedretti, Beretta,

and the Magtech 199 shown above.

Fourth picture is the O/U Tristar with 585HE on top and 3.5" 12ga bottom.

We sleeved the top barrel with .585" ID sleeve. We will use it with

the 58cal .585" Minie hollowbase slugs. Bottom just for shot loads

with a interchangeable chokes. Ed

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Little work on non-discarding 12ga sabots,You can get SPW

wads without slugs in them and we set up one for a light load.

We put a 20ga Lyman in some and they stay together ok. Just

shorten the bottom skirt of Lyman and bevel the bottom corner.

Total weight sabot and all is 360gr,,Shown In the picture..

We also shrunk the skirt of the 12ga Lyman cast slug and put it

in 12ga SPW wads and total about 550gr. If you have Lyman

12ga mold, can use it as pattern to make a slug to go into a

SPW wad. Leave the top part same as original Lyman and make

bottom so it fits in the SPW with real tight fit.

I like to use P14/M17 Enfields for our testing. Great for my 585HE

case and in picture it shows how we change the sear spring to one

on the back of the sear. So we can open up the bottom to feed

the long cases from singlestack magazine box by removing the

unneeded front of the sear and metal above it in the bottom, giving

room to the back, for cases that are 3.9" plus overall loaded length.

Couple guys who are setting up 585HEs in singleshots are going

to shoot 58cal Minies and other bullets and use black powder

and/or substitutes. So I tested some with Pyrodex pellets,

Used 54cal, 60gr equivalent and they stack in the case ok,

and just beveled corner of bottom one so it set tight to the base.

As the case has good inside radius. Used 3 pellets with 24ga

card over pellets, 3/8" felt wad and another card with 440gr Minie.

There is a certain nostalgia about all that sulfur smell.If you can

stand the cleaning. Slug going 2100.. 4 pellets about 2400.

Here is picture of another long bullet in sabot/wad , in 12ga that

was sent to me. Ajay on Shotgun World put these together.

Did some testing, 12ga plastic & brass with new super slow RE-33 powder.

It fires off ok in 12ga with 700gr and heavier slugs, with shotgun primers

like RE-17 which is much slower than shotgun powders. .

It is made the same way as RE-17 as far as how the rate of burn

deterrent is put into the powder. Which is why it ignites in large diameter

cases like 12ga and BMG with shotgun primers. Really be great for super

heavy 1100 to 1500 grain slugs to get good speed and keep case damaging

peak pressures down. Example in 3.5" Fiocchi 12ga plastic case, 690gr slug in

BPI Helix Driver Wad with 180 gr RE-33 the basecup only expanded .002".

And they are thinner basecup than some..Ed

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Last picture above shows what can be with sabots. It was thought to

be 20ga size when we got picture, but it is a smaller

45cal caliber sabot with 30cal streamlined bullets in them.

This was set up by the poster 'edge' on Castbullets forum.

More info on the SPW sabots with 520 gr Lyman reworked and locked into

them. With 3.5" brass RMC in the NEF long barrel gun, going about 2500

they smash though 6" timber with Lyman tearing wood up. Also got the same

combo 2200 in 3.5" plastic. Lyman in sabot on the left in picture on

right is factory SPW.

Another setup using the largest diameter 58 Minie I have is this .590" in this

12ga real thick muzzleloading wadcup for steel shot. I chamferred the bottom of

Minie slug and wedged it in the cup. The cup comes real long and we cut it off.

That leaves perfect edge to roll crimp against. Dab of epoxy holds the Minie slug

in, so it works like a non-discarding sabot. This wad has is own seal and fairly

short compared to others, so it leaves room for more of our slower powders.

Shorter slug and wad setups make loading easier.

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Here is picture of the Magtech we redid in the 585HE by mono-blocking in 585

barrel. This is second one we've done. Tried out a ladder peep sight on the

back. Makes a neat gun.That underlever is a great touch.Ed

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As part of the 585 test guns have smooth barrels, they are like a hopped up

24ga. We got couple bags of 24ga cards and felt wads. Easy way to use

reduced loads as the wads are perfect in 585 case. For comparison top load

say with RE17 and 650gr bullet is 170gr, but you can put in 100gr and card

and couple wads and have real easy load. And you don't have to worry about

airspace. Great for reduced loads with Minie slugs. In the same vein you

can put in a card over the powder and about 3/4 oz of shot and have a real

speedy 24ga shot load equivalent. Put card over the shot and glue it in.Ed

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First picture is of a nice finished 87 Winchester Will Sanders got set up

and he is using short brass cases.Beautiful scroll work on the stock.

Next is takeoff of a slug idea from Longbow on Cast Boolits, 12ga lead

roundball with section copper tube, wads compressed inside, BPGS seal on

bottom, screwed together. I have many boxes of wads. Now he did his with

screw into ball, put tube on with screw centered inside tube and filled tube

with hot glue. It stays together. Both are nose heavy for smooth bore work.

Next is side sectioned view, one of our 585HE cases, showing how 3/4

ounce of shot fits in.. 585 is same bore as 24ga. Cards shown are 24ga.

Just glue top card in. Some of our 585s are smoothbore and the HB Minie

slugs work at short range and the shot will do at short range also going

about 2000 fps. Could use 24ga shotcup.

Next, Mossy 390 bolt action, with heavy 585 barrel. Makes a nice big bore gun,

and handles nice with texturized stock finish. About same strength as

the heavy break actions I have 585HE in.Ed

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Posted: March 17 2013 at 1:00am | IP Logged Quote hubel585

Here is picture of the 12ga short brass RMC cases being used in

the 1887 WIN shown above. They are 2 5/8" long cases and we

get 600gr over 1900. He had work done on action to get it to feed

these and 3" roll crimped plastic. Brass loaded about same length

as 3' plastic crimped little long.

Next pic are Lyman slugs cast for thin 12ga wad, used in thickwall

10ga VP100 wads. These Lymans I got are on large size and fit

VP100 fairly well. Makes easy, lighter, superfast load in 10ga.

Next; further idea with Longbow's tube/roundball slug shown above.

Use tube hot glued to ball with screw in the back and use it in

a 10ga VP100 wadcup. These type slugs little more accurate used

in wads as opposed to fullbore.

Next shows picture of a long 585 bullets, about 1600gr in our 585HE

cases. Got the idea from Bret In Minn that could setup 585HE

guns with super long throat and load down to subsonic speeds to

make the 585HE Whisper.....And regular bullet loads would still fire

in the same guns......And at subsonic 1050fps it would have about

4000 ft lbs, about twice what the peashooter whisper cases have.

And my case could get a 2400 gr long bullet to same subsonic speed

for 6000 ft lbs. And one that long would have proportions like the

newer tank cannon, smooth barrel saboted darts, that it could be

possibly be done, using long 2400gr in smooth barrel.

Neat ideas from guys interested in whisper type loads.

Last is picture of FBW in our 585HE with handgrip stock and light

barrel for lightweight carrying. Grip is weighted, gun is 6lbs.

Barrel is 28". I'm not a fan of light barrels. 650gr at 2500 is max of

what I can hold onto shooting from the hip Moderate load

.Little info about my 585 loads, like in the break actions and the

Mossy in post above. I load about 85% max velocities, but to get

85% we only need 2/3 the peak pressure, like 40,000 psi

instead of 65,000...Ed

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Posted: March 29 2013 at 1:56am | IP Logged Quote hubel585

We have a winner it seems. The 12ga sabots using 58cal slugs.

The sample 12ga sabots got here earlier this week. And we got a bunch

of testing already for opening and sealing, and some accuracy testing .440gr

Minie bullet, measuring .575"; with OD of sabot with slug in it of .737" It is

perfect. Going moderate 1800. Petals opened perfect and evenly and they all

stayed on perfect. No petals twisted or torn. Tested in 3" case with slower

powder loads. 80gr of 4759 and 50gr Alliant Steel. Fiocchi case.

Savage 210 rifled barrel, 1 to 35 twist. Cases with slower powders expanded

only a little, and those cases are soft ones.

We have big bunch of the sabots here now.

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All petals were opened at about 30 deg to the base when picked up.

With ither powder the bases have no damage, or burn throughs or melting.

Took rifling perfect, so skidding on the rifling. Most of the rifling grip is on the

bottom half of sabot, which is why these and Accutips are best as the bottom

is full size instead of dropping back in size, compared to the top, like many

other sabots. Rifling in the barrel still clean..

The Minies are hollow based and the slug edges did not cut into the inside of the

sabot bases,just a slight impression. We have got good base thickness.

Good Accuracy - In the cold and very windy day, hit milk jugs at 30 yds.

Here is picture inside sabot showing just a slight indent. No need of cards under

slugs, and if you did, the the slugs would set up in sabot and not have the

curve of the slug behind the inside circular rib for best fit...

You got to use right powders. With right slower powders( not fast shotgun),

that start easier and used in larger amounts, you won't tear up the sabots.

It is false economy to use all fast shotgun powders,trying to get twice as many

shots per pound... and tear up sabots, expand cases too much, get poor groups,

miss that deer or whatever. For most of you in 3" cases Alliant Steel is best.

Get with me for sabots -- gunowner at journey.com Ph- 1-989-644-5228

THE undersize blue ones sold elsewhere for 34 bucks a hundred plus postage.

Ours are 33 bucks per 100 postage included, or $20 for 50 postage included,

with a bonus WE WILL send along 10 slugs with 100 order, 5 with 50 order.

to show you what to get and to test with. Slugs can be 440gr or 500gr..Ed

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Posted: March 30 2013 at 5:12pm | IP Logged Quote hubel585

Here is picture of a bunch of the sabots with different slugs and bullets.

Back Row- Two roundball load, balls 285gr each-- pointed long 700 gr -- a blunt

solid 700gr-- tungsten slug 1000gr --- jacketed bullet -- 600gr.

2nd row-611 Lyman 530gr Minie- 500gr flat base- Lee 500gr hard--Lee 500gr soft

1st Row- Lyman 440gr old style minie-- Lyman 510 gr new style-- 440gr from Dixie

Gunworks-- 400gr Lee target style. I like 440gr old style and 440 gr Dixie. For sale

on Gunbroker is all sizes and weights.. Or cast your own. Lots of moulds around.

Lee moulds only 20 bucks. Best diameters to use are .574 " to .577" Minies.

If you have ones bigger and they are not hardened you can roll them betweem two

hard surfaces and they will get little smaller. I have some that are .585" 440gr

and work in my 585HE and they can be rolled smaller.

Here are sabots with variety of seals/wads, and the shortest one in picture with

white felt wad just fits in 3" case with 80gr 4759, and still leaves room to roll crimp.

I compress it in hard. Now only faster powder than 4759 I'd use is Alliant Steel in

smaller amounts, 50gr Steel, in 3", and thicker wads and cushions like shown.

To roll crimp over the top edge of sabot we had .220" of case before crimping.

You only have to crimp top edge of sabot real good.

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After crimping the slugs are tight and don't move around. The circular rib inside the

sabot holds slugs tight back into the base. Speeds over 2000 fps

will be gotten using 3.5" plastic cases, with our slower powder loads. .

More testing for accuracy yesterday, a warmer, calmer day, with steel sights.

Hit. paper plate at 50 yds.

As said above, best to use right powders. Right slower powders( not fast shotgun),

that get to peak pressure slower, thus can use larger amounts, can get to higher

velocities, and you won't tear up the sabots and won't expand cases as much.

For most of you in 2.75" and 3" cases Alliant Steel is best.

FOR 440GR SLUGS IN SABOT---For 2.75" start at 40gr and go up to about 50.

For 3" start at 45gr go up to about 55. I like 3.5" best as you can load much easier

for speed, still have more cushion wads. Start with 50gr Steel, go up to about 62.

Case brands act different, but using the slower powders minimizes the differences

and keeps us away from surprizing pressure problems.

In 3" plastic,most 4759 I can get in and still have 1/4"cushion is 80gr.... In the 3.5"

I can get in 105 gr with this sabot and get over 2000 fps, In these loads if using

480-500gr cut back 3 gr. These 58cal slugs can be cast or they are at Dixie Gunworks

and 4 guys on Gunbroker got them. Get ones .574" to .577"

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Interested in sabots--- gunowner at journey.com Ph- 1-989-644-5228

THE undersize blue ones sold elsewhere for 34 bucks a hundred plus postage.

Ours are 33 bucks per 100 postage included.

Or $20 for 50 postage included..

.Or 150 for $45 postage included----- ALL with a bonus

WE WILL send along 10 slugs with 100 order, 5 with 50 order. 15 with 150 order.

to show you what to get and to test with. Slugs can be 440gr or 500gr..

We want you to help test and find what is best....Ed

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Here is picture of 45-50yd target, used a scoped  NEF Ultra, the sabot load of a 440gr
58cal slug in it at 1800... Measures 2.5" on outside for 3 shots.

Here is pic of almost 2100 of them. More coming. Time to
get them and get loads working.

And A little funnin humor for us big bore nuts..Ed

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Posted: April 09 2013 at 6:42pm | IP Logged Quote hubel585

Some more info about our sabots and various slug weights......

First and most important is our sabots fitting real tight like the Accutip

Sabots, they will not get the same speed at the same pressures as

the undersize grey and blue ones, But they do leave the barrel

headed straighter and without damage, even with hollowbase 58cal

slugs in them as the pics above show. No cards under slugs in sabots.,

But with good powder seals, using Alliant Steel, and good 1/4" minimum

cushion wads.

The 440gr Minie slug of .575" in the 3" cases is the one I used as a

base loading, to work each way by weight to find what loads of

Alliant Steel work and extract in my NEF. Using 3" soft base cases.

Here is pic of before/after of Fiocchi cases, on right unfired and left

fired, 55gr Steel with 440 gr slug.

For 440gr max of 55gr Steel

For 400gr max of 57gr Steel

For 360gr max of 59gr Steel

For 490gr max of 52gr Steel.

For 510gr max of 49gr Steel

For 540gr max of 47gr Steel.

I tested all these weights for extraction. It is real nice to reach into a

bucket, grap a sabot that fits right, and go to loading and shooting.

Many of you need to get in on the fun.

Here is picture of Fiocchi with sabot, roll crimped. The top of sabot is

perfect for roll crimping...It is setting under crimp tool in drill press.

Earler I showed the 585HE Falling block with pistol grip and the light

barrel. Here it is with Knoxx Compstock buttstock. We added 2 extra

springs inside for relatively hard recoiling gun, as stock originally made

for a REM 870 Pump. Works great and looks nice; will putting one on

the Magtech 585HE singleshot break action and got one in rifle stock

for Ruger 77 in 585HE.

And many guys want wildcats with shoulders, with big neck down, so

in developing the ultimate 700 blaster, here is the 700HSM. Shown next

to Gibbs 650gr ball powder..1000gr at 3800...How about that.

Will be one of only 2 guns I plan on being over 30 lbs, other is 2bore..

Whoppee.....Ed

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Posted: May 06 2013 at 3:26am | IP Logged Quote hubel585

The sabots work in brass cases .First is sabot in a Magtech brass case,

next to 3" plastic.. In shorter brass it would hold about as much powder

as in longer plastic if loaded like in the picture..

Sabots are about .734-735" with slugs in them, and

the Magtech brass with its thin sides still is slightly small OD at the

top compared to plastic, with sabot wedged in.

Next is sabot in RMC case, and sides are full thickness like plastic cases

at the mouth, so don't expand case to hold sabot. We have RMC make case

mouth ID to fit sabot. Sabot being little over fits barrels tight and rifling

impresses into plastic well and gets best spin, and being tight it leaves barrel

straight, with petals opening evenly. Brass case mouths are tight enough that

we push sabot in with a press.Saves trying to crimp heavy RMC case.

Here is picture of a barrel and barrel on a gun from 20 gauge singlshots that

will have the heavy 20ga rifled barrel in picture, mono-blocked into them.

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The sabots are not moving very fast and I need money out of them asap, an

emergency bill coming... And seeing as how we're low on slugs to send with

the sabots, in big numbers, and no one has yet to buy out our stash of sabots,

and set up so they can be selling the sabots, we will try selling them

fast in next few weeks . So we will be having a sale on just the sabots, in larger

amounts only. We will send one each of 440gr and 500gr slug so the guys

can see what we have found that works.

Because of the shipping costs and boxes that 2, 3, or 4 bags of sabots fit

in, that have an affordable postage cost to pay,we will sell these in 200,

300, and 400 size orders..So, 200 sabots $47 Shipping included,

300 sabots $65 Shipping included...400 for $83 shipping included.

Now 200 of the other brand X of undersize ones cost $68 plus shipping.

There was dozens of guys the last few years all over the internet that bought

undersize junk, that wanted good sabots, and complained that the ones they

bought elsewhere didn't work......We haven't heard from most of them, So guys

see if you got time, please help us out here..And setup for good shooting...Ed

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