Weaponeer.net
Welcome Guest
Not a member yet? Register Now! or Login
0 member and 36 guests currently online.
Search Forums:
Site Partners

This site is Gunny Approved

 


Site Login
Username

Password

Auto Login
Add me to the active users list


Forgot password | Register

Online Users
Total Users Online: 36

We have 0 member(s), 8 spiders, 36 guest(s), and 0 anonymous users online.

Members Online:
None.


[ View Full List ]
[Based on the last 10 minutes]

The most online was 215 and occured on March 28 2013 at 11:38am.
We had 5 members, 203 guests, 0 anonymouse users, and 7 bots online at the same time.
Todays Visitors (74):

Welcome to Weaponeer.net

The premier online home gunsmithing and weapon resource website.


Enjoy your stay! if you have a question or problem please contact one of the staff member's and we will do our best to assist you. You can also use the Forum how-to information for common questions on using the site, but for anything related to weapons, please feel free to post the question and one of the members or staff will try to answer it.

 

Donate using PayPal

This site survives based on member donations.


Latest Forum Posts
Latest Forum Posts
  Subject Last Post Replies Views
Topic [no new posts] Saying Hello
In: Open Forum
Posted: Today at 9:45am
By: bikergunnut
1 6
Hot Topic [no new posts] Submachine and feeding ramp.Question.
In: General Questions
Posted: Today at 6:41am
By: azotas
10 300
Hot Topic [no new posts] Let’s welcome Humerk
In: Open Forum
Posted: March 28 2017 at 11:17pm
By: bikergunnut
12 449
Hot Topic [no new posts] WTB SMG Parts Kits (1 viewing)
In: For Sale/Trade or Want to buy
Posted: March 27 2017 at 2:40pm
By: Master Blaster
1 100
Hot Topic [no new posts] WTS Argentine FMK-3, 9mm Parts Kit #match
In: For Sale/Trade or Want to buy
Posted: March 27 2017 at 2:10pm
By: Master Blaster
1 1215
Hot Topic [no new posts] Re-arming a blank firing pistol
In: Other Handguns Builds
Posted: March 27 2017 at 8:01am
By: Paraquat
16 1884
Hot Topic [no new posts] 3D M240 bravo building
In: General Questions
Posted: March 26 2017 at 10:25am
By: frappu
8 620
Sticky Topic SUPPORT Weaponeer.net w/hosting Donations
In: Auctions and Donations
Posted: March 26 2017 at 4:24am
By: weaponeer
225 76668
Hot Topic [no new posts] New member
In: Introduction
Posted: March 24 2017 at 12:47pm
By: backbencher
4 490
Hot Topic [no new posts] simple pistol design
In: Other Handguns Builds
Posted: March 23 2017 at 5:42pm
By: backbencher
7 2174
Hot Topic [no new posts] Just got a compound bow
In: Open Forum
Posted: March 22 2017 at 8:21am
By: Paraquat
0 534
Hot Topic [no new posts] Blueprint/CAD trade (1 viewing)
In: Blueprints and Drawings
Posted: March 21 2017 at 2:55pm
By: Smegma
0 730
Hot Topic [no new posts] Homemade AR-15 STEN magwell block
In: Open Forum
Posted: March 20 2017 at 12:04pm
By: PappaSunrise
11 1234
Hot Topic [no new posts] WTB Beretta PM12S / M12 kit
In: For Sale/Trade or Want to buy
Posted: March 19 2017 at 8:47pm
By: Burmman
0 706
Hot Topic [no new posts] H Pieper falling block shotgun
In: General Questions
Posted: March 19 2017 at 11:42am
By: micheal
0 848
Hot Topic [no new posts] Help w/ Jet Mill Drill-16
In: DIY Projects
Posted: March 15 2017 at 4:12pm
By: backbencher
7 1366
Hot Topic [no new posts] Home built AR upper?
In: Open Forum
Posted: March 15 2017 at 12:44pm
By: PappaSunrise
92 3910
Hot Topic [no new posts] Hera thumbhole, AR5.7 upper, trigger jig
In: AR15 Series
Posted: March 14 2017 at 10:37am
By: backbencher
37 2444
Sticky Topic Topics involving building a STEN
In: STEN MKII, MKIII, and MKV
Posted: March 14 2017 at 10:23am
By: backbencher
131 52065
Hot Topic [no new posts] Gunsmith Class: Custom Smith and Wesson R
In: DIY Projects
Posted: March 13 2017 at 1:51am
By: DRCI
0 1336
New Post     Old Post

News Categories
Weapon History (34)

   M1919A4 Mk21 Mod 0 Data
   The Charlton Automatic Rifle
   Interesting snippets re:Zb37 and Besa
   vz. 52 and vz. 52/57 rifle’s
Staff Notices (31)

   Show off your Shotgun Projects
   Update from Weaponeer
   July Donations for hosting needed $89
   webiste hosting Donations Needed
Product Review (32)

   Sportsmansguide M4 type barrel review
   1907 type sling- Turner Co. review
   Review of the WindMate WM-350
   Vz58 Modernization Project
Product Notice (48)

   Finger Groove Insert for 1911
   Who wants UZI Flates?? (NO FFL Required)
   Colefire Magnum Pistol receiver -sterling
   Tannerite on Sale
News and Laws (4103)

   Obama to remove all firearm data on net
   No Compromise: NRA Takes On United Nation
   H.R. 5344 No More Body Armor For Us
   5.45x39mm 7N6 Russian Surplus Ammo Ban
General (31)

   How Small Arms Work
   How Semi-Auto and Full Auto Rifles Work
   https://youtube.com/devicesupport
   Homemade gun from around the world
Event (13)

   2012 Weaponeer Camp n Shoot
   Camp n Shoot #5 Sep 23, 24, 25 2011
   Camp and Shoot 26,27,28 Aug in Wisconsin
   Camp and Shoot 29-30 July in Wisconsin
Commentary (12)

   Brass vs. Steel Cased Ammo – Torture Test
   The Big M4 Myth
   Sign to Repeal the Hughes amendment
   The Condition of Gun Forums - and a fix!

All News : Commentary News
January 08 2013
Brass vs. Steel Cased Ammo – Torture Test
Contributed by weaponeer - There are 1 comments
Posted In Open Forum

Brass vs. Steel Cased Ammo – An Epic Torture Test

Four brand new AR15's and 10,000 rounds for each rifle. The shocking news is if you shoot federal ammunition you get zero malfunctions in 10,000 rounds, and accuracy that's just fine, but if you shoot the cheap Russian ammo, your barrel will turn into a smooth bore in under 6,000 rounds and will require replacement.

There are two major types of centerfire rifle cartridges available on the market today:

  • Those which are loaded with steel, and
  • Those which are loaded with brass

This seemingly simple variation has caused a never ending stream of argument, discussion, speculation, and questioning from new and seasoned shooters alike.  Complicating the conversation are other variables that typically get lumped into the argument without proper segmentation, such as:

  • The different coating options available on the steel-cased ammo (lacquer or polymer)
  • The different projectile loadings available (copper jacketed lead, the bi-metal coating that most Russian manufacturers use, etc)
  • The different propellant (gunpowder) burn rates

Our team decided to try something ambitious and daunting:  to provide the best resource and data available to answer these questions once and for all through objective experimentation and observation.

We realize this is a lofty and borderline arrogant goal.  We’ve done our best.  Please keep reading to see if you agree.

Here’s what we did:

  • We acquired four identical Bushmaster AR-15 rifles.  We chose the Bushmaster MOE Series AR-15 because it’s a widely available, affordable, and mass-market.  We didn’t want something too cheap and of lower quality or something too expensive and of high quality since our goal is to help the most number of people.
  • We acquired 10,000 rounds each of the following ammunition (new production):
  • We paired each ammunition type with a specific Bushmaster AR-15 and then fired all 10,000 rounds of it through that particular carbine (except for Tula; more on that below)
  • We systematically observed and tested various things, including (more details below):
    • At the start: accuracy, velocity, chamber and gas port pressures, chamber cast
    • After 2,000 rounds:  accuracy, velocity
    • After 4,000 rounds:  accuracy, velocity
    • After 5,000 rounds: throat erosion, chamber cast
    • After 6,000 rounds:  accuracy, velocity
    • After 8,000 rounds:  accuracy, velocity
    • After 10,000 rounds:  accuracy, velocity, chamber and gas port pressures, throat erosion, extractor wear, chamber cast, barrel wear
  • We logged every malfunction of every rifle-ammo combination
  • The rifles were cleaned according to a preset schedule and temperatures were monitored and kept within acceptable limits (more below)
  • We sectioned the barrels and otherwise made unique observations after the test was complete

If you’re interested in any of the following, you’ll find observations, data, and further details below:


Agree Disagree Funny Informative Polite/Nice/Friendly Useful Optimistic Artistic Late Bad Spelling Bad Reading Dumb


Calendar
March 2017
S M T W T F S
     1234
567891011
12131415161718
19202122232425
262728293031  

Last Month | Next Month
Full Calendar

Upcoming Events
No Events
Todays Birthdays
Snpr_Matic (53)
glhx1 (52)

Site Statistics
General Stats
We have 16660 active members out of 34755 and we have had 74 member(s) visit us in the last 24 hours and 306 new active members signed up in the last month.

The newest registered user is kasieutl.

Our users have posted a total of 134524 articles within 17115 topics in 178 forums.

Newest Members